EK - Discussion Forum: Talents Redo

does heroic festergut/rotface kills on 25man count? we got BQ done to 3%, fuckin 3% and she has 71.1 million hp. stupid idiots don't know how to spread out during air phase 2.

Seannaice

08 Sep : 08:55

are you playing wow yet?

Quenthel

08 Sep : 06:04

ah shit i bet erras is wetting himself with excitement over the pride of gnomergon item from yesterday. horde version is HOT! but seriously 4 hour cd wth blizz.

Seannaice

07 Sep : 17:03

Dear self dont be late and anger the Arc. that is all

Bluestrike

07 Sep : 16:50

I promise to be on-time!...but if Im going to be late i will send myself a note.

Seannaice

07 Sep : 13:21

Raid tonight people. Be ontime!! Blue 5:50 not 6:10. Lets kill bloodqueen then start the Lich!!!

Greyshift

05 Sep : 12:09

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Arc

05 Sep : 08:14

I watched the sex tapes then banned the poster

devilpawn

05 Sep : 01:17

we have a spammer post again

Kharas

02 Sep : 19:55

Fantasy Football drafts /> Raiding Seanna.....boo

Arc

02 Sep : 19:36

FFB = Frequent Fairies Banquet?

Seannaice

02 Sep : 16:31

ugh shit I forgot tonight I have the last of My FFB drafts. i may be late.

trinith

02 Sep : 10:34

Seanna spends enough time with his monkey as it is... >.>

Arc

02 Sep : 08:31

Seanna looks like a monkey anyway.

Kharas

02 Sep : 03:11

New Polymorph Glyph for Cata...Monkey!

Arrowan

01 Sep : 14:02

grats guys! and the thought of Seanna rearing anything.... HAWT!

Seannaice

01 Sep : 13:32

hold on let me get my Bass

Kharas

01 Sep : 13:26

i suppose that is better that "rearing" him, Seanna

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Talents Redo
Yagmi	#1 Posted on 07-07-2010 15:16
Posts: 1425 Joined: 18.01.06	http://www.mmo-ch...ems-Update TLDR version -> trees are getting shortened to 31 points tall, and you pick your tree at 10, and they give you "tree-defining" talents for free at that time, like MS, etc etc etc. You will now only gain a talent point every other level (will have 41 at new cap) Just say no to deleting your toons


trinith	#2 Posted on 07-07-2010 15:22
Posts: 1709 Joined: 08.04.05	Whoa... that's a huge overhaul. Didn't EQII do something like this? They're really simplifying the game in this expansion.


Yagmi	#3 Posted on 07-07-2010 15:30
Posts: 1425 Joined: 18.01.06	EQII completely redid their Alternate Advancement system this past winter before they added more in. They didn't shave it like WoW did. Just say no to deleting your toons


trinith	#4 Posted on 07-07-2010 16:10
Posts: 1709 Joined: 08.04.05	No I thought it was closer to release or something.... no? I have a coworker who used to talk about it all the time and I thought he said the revamped it. Anyway, I read the rest of the posting. I'm actually cool with this for a bunch of reasons... * It won't take so long for new characters to feel... useful. Example, level a druid. Out of all the classes I've played, they have to be the most dull before level 20. Being able to specialize right away will be pretty sweet. * Talent bloat is crazy right now, especially in the hybrid class trees. So many talents to take but not enough points for them all. I'm sure there will be more talents than points in the new one, but I'm hoping it's a little cleaner. * Low-level PvP will be a lot less bland. I can't help but wonder if Bliz will encourage low-level PvP now that classes have the tools to do so (vs. twinking out gear and using auto-attack for huge damage). * Their comments about PvP spec are exciting, especially for hybrid classes.


Yagmi	#5 Posted on 07-07-2010 16:21
Posts: 1425 Joined: 18.01.06	oh, I think it's an awesome idea. Honestly, I think everyone here has leveled an alt before. Going from 80 different abilities to... 2 abilities that are less useful than wanding suuuucks. We'll see how the trees pan out Just say no to deleting your toons


trinith	#6 Posted on 07-07-2010 17:10
Posts: 1709 Joined: 08.04.05	TBH, as far as Blizzard announcements go, I'm more concerned about everybody being forced to post with their real names on the forums I bet they planned it. "Lets release two controversial moves at once! If people get super uptight, we can just take back the one with the largest reaction and the other will slip by unnoticed!"


Snakeater	#7 Posted on 07-07-2010 17:18
Posts: 11 Joined: 20.05.10	Example of the New Hunter tree Sucks, Sucks Less, Sucks the Least but still Sucks.


Erras	#8 Posted on 07-07-2010 18:57
Posts: 291 Joined: 09.09.09	Overall, me likey, I think. At first I was a bit annoyed that you HAD to stay in your talent set that you picked... but honestly who puts anything into multiple trees before level 60 anyways. For the one whose spirit is strong enough, even death is not the end.


Durenas	#9 Posted on 08-07-2010 05:31
Posts: 795 Joined: 05.05.05	I'm a little weirded out by the idea of divine storm at level 10, but I support this change.


Yagmi	#10 Posted on 08-07-2010 12:05
Posts: 1425 Joined: 18.01.06	Think about it... Like one of the blue posts said... You are going to feel like you have actual use and utility now at a lower level. Leveling a paladin right now as a tank, the best tree to use is ret for aggro until you get enough points to hit deeper prot. Think about that. That's jacked up, and kinda boring. Now... you hit 10 and BOOM you can go and be useful Just say no to deleting your toons


Durenas	#11 Posted on 08-07-2010 12:43
Posts: 795 Joined: 05.05.05	Yep. I don't have a problem with it, it's just different.


trinith	#12 Posted on 08-07-2010 12:57
Posts: 1709 Joined: 08.04.05	One thing I do worry about is losing access to the 11 point abilities in a tree. Back in vanilla, I used to spec my druid 0/30/21 so I could be feral and have nature's swiftness for PvP. It was a pretty good spec and I only gave up 5% crit to do it. This kind of hybrid spec'ing won't be possible as you'll no longer be able to pick up the good talents in each tree (in theory). You'll have 41 talents to spend and 31 of those must go in a single tree, so you'll never be able to access an 11 point talent, let alone a 21 point one. Of course, we'll see how it plays out, but that is one thing that concerns me. There will be no hybrid specs anymore.


Seannaice	#13 Posted on 08-07-2010 13:10
Posts: 1509 Joined: 07.03.06	awww poooooor hybrids Shut up brain or Ill stab you with a Q-tip


Yagmi	#14 Posted on 08-07-2010 13:27
Posts: 1425 Joined: 18.01.06	not hybrid classes, dummy, but hybrid specs... like the old unholy dw spec for DKs Just say no to deleting your toons


Seannaice	#15 Posted on 08-07-2010 14:22
Posts: 1509 Joined: 07.03.06	last time i checked i pretty much have the a dps class or a dps class. to go along with it I am a DPS spec or a DPS spec. I repeat QQ Hybrids QQ. Pretty sure my PVP spec will forever be a PVP spec to do damage. Shut up brain or Ill stab you with a Q-tip


trinith	#16 Posted on 08-07-2010 14:47
Posts: 1709 Joined: 08.04.05	Learn to read...? Like Yag said, it's not a class thing, it's a spec thing. Lots of classes used to pass on the top-level talent in order to get the 21-point talent in another tree. Didn't mages used to have an awesome spec that didn't complete a tree so they could get some 21 point talent in another tree? It might have been vanilla with the main spec being fire and the off-spec being arcane to get that instant cast thinger, back when you guys ran around 2-shotting things with trinket pops. I used to do it on my hunter as well, passing up Wyvern Sting to get some Marksman talent... I think. It was like 4 years ago.


Seannaice	#17 Posted on 08-07-2010 15:02
Posts: 1509 Joined: 07.03.06	trinith wrote: Learn to read...? Like Yag said, it's not a class thing, it's a spec thing. Lots of classes used to pass on the top-level talent in order to get the 21-point talent in another tree. Didn't mages used to have an awesome spec that didn't complete a tree so they could get some 21 point talent in another tree? It might have been vanilla with the main spec being fire and the off-spec being arcane to get that instant cast thinger, back when you guys ran around 2-shotting things with trinket pops. I used to do it on my hunter as well, passing up Wyvern Sting to get some Marksman talent... I think. It was like 4 years ago. Yes back when all mages were forced to spec Frost to play wow. 29 arcane because arcane was terrible and Fire was unusable because everything was immune. But since they took out those types of resistances pretty much every spec you need to hit 51 Shut up brain or Ill stab you with a Q-tip


Seannaice	#18 Posted on 08-07-2010 15:03
Posts: 1509 Joined: 07.03.06	for that matter I think its pretty much the same way for most pure classes. Shut up brain or Ill stab you with a Q-tip


Durenas	#19 Posted on 08-07-2010 15:05
Posts: 795 Joined: 05.05.05	You don't have to put that 31st point in your main talent tree, but their design goal is to make that 31st talent desirable. Edit: I take that back. Rereading what GC said, it seems you can't put more than 10 points in any tree that is not your main tree. Edited by Durenas on 08-07-2010 15:07


trinith	#20 Posted on 08-07-2010 16:24
Posts: 1709 Joined: 08.04.05	Yea, you absolutely must put 31 points into the first talent tree you pick. After that you can put them whatever. You also only get the special abilities (ie, MS, etc...) for that primary talent tree. And Seanna, I dunno how it'll play out. We'll have to see. As Durenas said, they want to make the 31-point desirable but sometimes that cross-spec talent is just really good and you bring a lot of utility by mixing your spec. It'll probably be fine, but it's something that I thought of that could be a problem. Now, they need to hurry up and patch the beta client so we can see what the tree changes are!

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